Bryantaber, I'm simply reffering to their quality... frame build quality to be more precise. Some brands jut don't use the same level of materials and give some bs name like AL1 aluminum, specialized was unable to tell me what it actually was, many its alright, but if they don't tell you my guess is not. And quality control is a big factor as well, some companies just don't give a shit, the day I do an alignment check on a trek and get a straight one I may reconsidder what I think obout them, but il have to measure a second straight one first. And then its which factory they come from, preferably Taiwan, they have better quality than china, and definately better quality then the Cambodian factory, and it just costs too much to make good afford ably quality locally.

I just like how bryantaber put giant bikes and quality in the same sentance, I suppose norco, kona, and trek are the best as well? O and don't forget cannondale... big names don't Necessarily mean good quality